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Tom,

What is the eyepiece make and model?

I hope you marked the lenses as to which side faces the telescope (or the astronomer).  Why don't you bring the eyepiece remains to the next telescope workshop.

If you used spanner wrenches to unscrew retaining rings, please bring them also. 

Let me know when you plan on comping, and I will bring a tanks of compressed air and air nozzle to blow out dust, etc., as assembly proceeds.

Bruce

Weather permitting I will travel to Horseshoe Meadows for astrophotography while it is still New Moon.  If anyone wants to join please email me.

Logistics:

It is a 4:10 hour drive to Lone Pine, form there a half hour to HM.
The setup site is at the daytime use parking lot at 10,000 feet.
Possibly pre-meet at Pizza Junction in Lone Pine at 5:30 PM
Camping in the Alabama Hills afterwards. 

Henk Aling
haling@cox.net

180924 SBAU hour KZSB radio B JW CMcP TT BM 2nd Monday

00:00.000 star trek ship corridors light therapy
00:39.538  butterflies
01:18.883 Oumoamoa asteroid
01:44.794  GVAA , state banking
04:54.036 bud bottoms, jerryW, pic to News press? talk to; docent training today, butterflies, B-did not have one land on him.
09:05.080  B- inflation: craig allen jerryw trump chuck; crypto currency
13:13.437 B-what to talk about?  JW-you said Oumuamua?  go after? japan landing jumping on asteroid. philea in crevice, other craft landed also. 
16:37.267 butterflies are free except at sbmnh museum $10, or member $65?
17:30.239  tiger woods is back, fame is fleeting.  Earth/Sky volcanoes little ice age? 1275-1300ad. others say sun changed, but volcanoes better.
19:15.225  chuck outreach history, number of constellations.

20:57.140 music: it was a calm and cloudless night...galileo  B-

31:33.578 music: it's been a long road, getting from here to there... 
music: and the engine died

44:07.478 music:  freightened crew...black hole  B-what happens if you fall in?

52:23.233 music: GatoB "europa" 

62:47.196 music:  it's been a long road... star trek enterprise tv show

66:56.513 end

180827 KZSB SBAU radio hour Baron CMcP TT BM incomplete notes
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00:00.000  Baron speculate on SBAU attendees
00:22.190
00:36.694  Craig D Allen website
00:58.992  Donny double moon due to Mars? TT tries to clarify that it is a rumor since 2003
03:27.284  Chuck enters, 30s promos, B-used to commute on 350cc motorcycle, canyons cool sometimes.  B-oumuamua gone? CMcP-going out.  B-Bruce M on phone.

05:10.547  music: "it was a calm and cloudless night...shaking of the universe was about to occur...1609".  B-Jerry get well, tt in his seat, CMcP, BM on phone, B-any outreach? BM-planets good.  B-Saturn ears?  CMcP need 30x to see rings.  Mu Cephi, TT-Herschel garnet star hyper giant is beautiful.  CM-August 27 rumor, email said 75x tele will make Mars look size of Moon, but now each year email/twitter goes out saying just look at moon, mars will look same size.  polo club event other night someone brought it up as well.  B-is Mars dust storm abating?  CM-polar ice caps warm up and puffs up atmosphere and creates dust clouds.  pics of progression of storm can be seen.  B-delay a satellite landing?  CM-no  B-go to Mars in 10-15 yrs?  CM-hope not, should go to moon first and practice living in remote environment.  B-and find black slab on moon.  CM-tr u mp is pretty clueless.  water.  B-30M miles out, 2yr orbit, launch when close? CM-yes.  B-total recall Arnold movie, take a while to colonize.  CM-air gets ablated away.  cheaper to explore w/ robots, but people smarter still.  B-rocket man song,  "mars is cold as he ll".  TT-ave temp on mars is -81F vs 58F on earth.  B-air CM-solar wind breaks up.  BM-phase diagram, CO2 goes to gas from solid.  B-Europa moon all water?  CM-lots there, title flexing creates liquid water.  B-break, JW, thks for not showing up with cold!  music:  "its been a long time...see my dream come alive at night, not going to hold me down...faith of the heart" (enterprise TV song)

17:43.589  Music: Gato B Europa.  B-or Strauss? 2010 movie: ghost: do not touch Europa.  B-Astrovangza?  CM-wed, Carp; Thurs, Bacara; Fri, Refugio; Sat, Cachuma; Sun, Bacara;  camp-out Sept 28/29 potluck; etc Sept 7 1st Fri Prof Will van dam meeting; Sept 8 Astrovangza, make comets, charge to enter museum. Theme Star Wars villains.  B-planetarium shows? yes (Jason barrios).  B-ask Dr Van Dam to go easy CM-keep the quanta small.  B-lots of planets to see.  B-how to get to mars, CM-Insight mission on its way. BM-mars elliptical orbit.  TT-Ceres CM-Dawn mission.  B-vandenberg getting active? polar orbits, can go west? CM-possible to go retrograde.  B-Iridium CM-Next, multiple orbital planes to ensure signal available. Russians use Kazakhstan.  BM-did 115 outreaches last year.  B-fun women, wives of SBAU astronomers.  Jupiter mnemonic, I Eat Green Cheese...TT: Io, Europa, Ganymede, Callisto.  CM: some moons 1-2km mile diameters.  B-Neil degrasse Tyson, stars names are like phone numbers.  Music: Gato Europa.

28:21.461  music: as a spaceship flies, tho the endless space, stumbles on black hole, engine dies, frightened crew..  B-Bruce theater organ show?  TT-Buster Keaton  BM-The General  TT-great organist.  BM-does not block view.  B-Colin good officers.  members can come to board meetings.  B-what is going on in space?  CM-Parker solar probe, has to slow down, going around Venus. 3M miles from Sun.  B-only inner solar towards sun? CM-no, Cassini to Saturn went around Venus.  BM-Io goes around Jupiter in 2 days.  Juno mission.  radiation, cosmic rays, magnetosphere trapped radiation. Sun polar direction changes 22 yrs N-N, sunspot cycle 11 yr max-max.  B-Parker mission getting hot.  crazy.  BM-Venus hot due to CO2 atmosphere.  Mars lost magnetic field vs. Venus.  B-suns rays reflect from Venus, should be cool?  CM-heat penetrates. Earth greenhouse effect.  B-love this global warming.

37:39.991  music: calm and cloudless...summertime 1609, Galileo used his tele for very 1st time... B-everything crammed into a dot (start of universe).  CM-Osiris-rex mission to bennu asteroid, primarily metallic. Osiris is Egyptian goddess.  tt-sample return. CM-majority of asteroids are stony.  BM-SBTOS open console 2nd Sat of month usually.  TT-skip that one due to Astrovangza!  B-not at plan meet? BM-diabetic.  TT-BM inherited 11" mirror fr Bob Richard.  CM-star party up front with bright monitor.  B-Ojai light ordinance working?  CM-doing low temp LED's.  B-Camino lights?  CM-Tele Tues.  BM-Mojave great.  CM-DMZ btw north/s Korea was very dark.  B-galaxy light goes across CM-sometimes in May all around horizon.  B-are all solar systems randomly positioned?   CM-to see transit of exoplanets must pass in front.  5000+ detected. TESS will find more.  BM-many stars have planets  CM-80% of stars have multiple planets.  60% of stars are binary.  B-Parker slowing.  TT-Iridium sats coming up this month.

46:17.931  music: once i had enough of a mass  B-Parker solar probe, named for him.  slow it down?  CM-use Venus slingshot to slow it down [speed varies w/ each orbit see diagram at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_Solar_Probe and   https://qz.com/1353429/the-parker-solar-probe-is-the-fastest-man-made-object-ever/  Venus fly-bys slightly slow the probe to allow it to orbit sun closer, but at a faster perihelion speed each time over several years] B-not sure if TT understands this, close to me in this, why does not probe speed up on approach?  CM-depends on approach.  BM-last speaker did great job of explaining orbits.  B-so some how it slows going around Venus, not using rockets.  B-grand tour?  BM-like Voyager 1/2.  B-both have gold records of Carl Sagan.  BM-out past heliopause.  B-let us know next theater organ event. music: Gato
51:22.850 end

180813 KZSB SBAU radio show poor notes, using VLC to record stream http://ice7.securenetsystems.net/KZSB , edit using Audacity.  Download the attached file and listen!

Baron Ron Herron, JerryW, ChuckMcP, RubenG by phone

00:00.000  B-heck of a deal, $10, half full a/c SB Airbus, leave Museum of Natural History by 8am, Science Museum, has Endeavor, King Tut is extra,
01:26.841  TomT not coming in
02:02.805  bus trip and sept astrovangza
03:42.218  JW, Donny, CM
06:13.678  Parker solar probe
06:43.502  KZSB
07:32.331  earth sky advert
08:10.050  what to talk about, 8sec, solar probe

08:38.997  music: Gato Europa.  B-after viewing meteors all night. CM, outreach; JW-back from class reunion, Pat seemed most popular of 600 people in class, 200 showed up.  B-spouses loneliest people in world at reunion.  JW-people were very friendly, did not break up in clics.  Van Horn HS, Independence Mo. CM-Pat San Marcos grad.  jw-august dog days, sun in canis major CM-Sirius. doldrums.  brh-sept 7, 8  1st Fri meet, Astrovangza at Museum, solar scopes, plan meet, star party. Sept 10 radio show. CM-solar cycle CM-but quiet phase, 11 or 22 yr cycle.  brh-Parker (91yr old physicist) solar probe, what for?  CM-corona, why 1.5MKelvin, what is energy transport, maybe micro flares, magnetic reconnections? corona is not dense.  B-trajetory, gravity assist? CM-downhill B-elliptical like jupiter juno.  B-carbon used CM-peak around shield JW-hide behind the shield and side away from Sun is cold to dump heat.  CM-Sun is 880,000miles in dia. B-Mercury hot B-hard to get signal back, sun noise on signal? CM-directed beam back. B-how long in space?  B-postponed, but up next day.  Webb is postponed years.  Earth shadow on Webb?  CM-not likely, in Lagrangian point.  B-nice blankets geing sold. music: Gato Europa.  JW-seats avail?  CM-30, M&J might get 3 more.  music: Gato- Europa.

18:47.466  music: Galileo used his telescope for the very first time.  RubenG-called B-interview Q's to Ruben about Calif Sci Center trip.   CM-looked at meteors of Perseid shower last night, seem to originate from Perseus constellation.  JW-comet orbit Sun and leave dust behind the Earth runs into.  Leonids from Leo.  Halley's comet leaves trail the Orionids. B-what size reaches the earth surface? JW-Chelybinisk CM-60ft across.  B-how to take photo of meteors?  B-some people can hear sizzling?   B-where were you looking at meteors?  CM-end of west camino  Music: strong embrace of a black hole (Kazoo playing).

32:11.253  music: star trek, faith of the heart.  B-TT will do planetarium, like CM.  B-love to see Huygens probe landing, Cassini mission.  hits Titan atmosphere CM-heat shield.  B-Europa is another one, more water there.  B-Huygens took time to float down w/ parachute.  JW-pics taken in diff directions  Cm-rocks looked like they had been eroded by water.  B-Juno will crash into Jupiter, like Cassini into Saturn?  JW-Juno trying to get under clumps of radiation in Jupiter mag belts.  B-four forces: Strong nuclear JW-binds quarks to form protons, Weak nuclear JW-holds nucleus of atom together, electromagnetism, and gravity.  B-my brain in mid of night, why 0-186Kmps instantly photons?  B-photons do not need to be pushed?  CM-self pushed, generated    B-will next speaker talking about quantum physics be appreciated. 
CM-bartender says we do not serve your type around here, then a tachyon walks into the bar.  music: Gato: Europa

42:10.657  music: it was a calm and cloudless night, summertime 1609..  B-galileo looked at meteors? CM-if summertime, must be looking at Perseids. JW-i use chaise lounge.  JW-LaGrange points.  Webb telescope.  several pts around the earth 5pts, Sun-Earth 1 & 2, ahead and behind, pts 3&4,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point  Hubble failures cannot be fixed by Shuttle missions anymore. 
B-what are deep fields?  JW-photos taken by space telescopes.  110 messier objects, depending on political views.
"B- visit Cal Sci Center, show up Museum by 8am $10.  music: Once I had enuf mass, I became a star of gas, firery blast.

49:54.684  music: Gato  B-Perseids?  CM-go on 2wks either side of peak.  3rd Fri at Westmont, Cachuma, 3rd Tues at Camino, Thurs 23, 30, sept 2 at Bacara.  Sept 1 wed carp.  Sept 7 meeting, Sept 8 Sat: Astrovangza, star party...etc.  B-$20 for two tomorrow trip.  how to become a member?  CM-www.sbau.org  B-Prof Wm Van Damme next meeting, two places at once?  CM-superposition.
54:22.223 end

Bruce,
It turned out that it was a collimation problem.  Unfortunately, first I took apart the eyepiece thinking it was the problem, then had to buy a new one since I could not figure out how to reassemble it!  I still need to work on restoring that eyepiece...where did that thing go to?
TT

I also have a C11, and sometimes focus is tack sharp, other times, not.

Telescope optics are designed to focus undistorted (plane) light waves (wavefronts) to a point.

The gremlin is atmospheric turbulence.  A typical turbulent cell is about 10 cm in diameter (4").  Light that enters one side of your C11 travels through a different path in the atmosphere than light entering the other side.  The incoming light wavefront is not planer, i.e., it is wrinkly; hence, the light does not get focused to a point.

The larger the scope, the worse atmospheric distortion becomes.

The light from objects directly overhead only has to go through 60 miles of atmosphere.  The light from objects near the horizon has to go through 1000 miles of atmosphere.

The air over the ocean tends to be more stable; hence, clearer images result.  When we go to Refugio Beach State Park for public outreach, oftentimes we get quite good viewing.

Going to higher altitude helps also.

On the plus side, the larger the scope, the brighter the image.

You also want to make sure your scope is well collimated.  On a Schmidt Cassegrain scope, like the C11, collimation is done with tiny adjustments of the three screws in the secondary mirror.  Image a bright star and throw the scope out-of-focus.  You should see the shadow of the secondary mirror in the middle of the disc of the out-of-focus star.  If the shadow is not concentric with the star disc, then collimation is required.

Bruce Murdock

180709 KZSB SBAU radio hour Baron CM TW TT BM 2nd Monday 9am

00:00.000 B, CM, TT computer malware, social telescope outreach problems?
01:41.499 B  traffic, B idea coffee stick like an oil dipstick, Blue Blood motor oil remark. "I'm down a quart".  B-who was affected by Friday night fire?  CM-5 miles away from us.  TT-thought it would burn down to the ocean.  cars can vaporize.  more fire thots.
06:02.831 Craig Allen State St financial thots with B.
13:37.515 Donny Risdin traffic
15:20.942 natural disasters, Thai boys in cave, Elon Mush submarine, sedate kids?, Richard Dugan, winch. Chilean miners hole, but time & geology unstable.  Ingenuity. all divers want to help.  CM-news travels more than 50years ago. RD-training kids CM-but Seal diver died.  B-Colbert will have them on?
19:00.000 Goleta fire news, Wildlife Care Network losses.
19:46.897 Earth/Sky:  Russia fireball 1910 Tunguska river, flattened trees, event.  no meteorite fragments. 
21:23.000  CM-think a comet

22:00.346 song: "as a spaceship flies...strong embrace of a black hole..."  B-Mac's favs, intros TT, TW newsletter julian Nott cancel, Bruce Murdock on phone.  B-things about cosmology leaving people behind, (DE, DM, expansion, etc) what happens at various outreaches.  CM-there was gunshots at Lake Lopez, TomW no longer goes there.  B-school events, last to leave CM-some other sci presenters like to come by.  B-How do folks know that you are there at state beaches?  TT-posters.  B-SBMNH Star Parties? CM-Museum has notices on web page.  B-baby at telescope?  BM-usu 1-2 years, they do not know where to look.  If you do not get light on your pupil, you will not see anything.  CM-forehead or nose, look sideways.  TW-helps if looking at moon, cause image shows on their eyes.  B-fill eyep with moon?  TW-yes, diff ways of checking out moon.  CM-can not see flags on moon.  BM-large tele needed. CM-6 mile dia.  B-satellites crossing sky.  CM-in city lights no.  Cachuma Iridium flare was -8 magnitude, very bright.  polished microwave antennas on old version.  B-Mars close?  CM-closest in 15 yrs.  B-when to launch to mars? CM-every 2yrs.  TT-close every year?  B-speed of planets around sun?  TT- Merc-100Kmph, Earth-70Kmph, Pluto-10Kmph.  music: Gato B Europa.

33:32.114 music:  "it was a calm and cloudless night...summertime 1609...Galileo..." B-thot of day: Galileo: "cannot teach people anything, only find it within itself"  B-teach summer at Westmont? TW: already over, 5 wk session.  B-newsletter?  TW: proofreader is CM.  B-Cal Sci Center, Endeavor trip August 14, RubenG arranging.  B-physicists in club.  But B did program asking questions.  What youtube video to pick if you want to?  Several billion to choose from.  CM-watch no videos.  BM-I watch Star Trek  B-spaceship shape  CM-submarine like is more likely.  BM-big screen tv has internet built in, Netflix, Hulu.  TW-books, mags for me, NYTimes crossword, Amy was answer to old jazz song, Dean Martin.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yd-gGXWfwE  .   B-I will give TW the next segment.  B-what is coming up for outreaches?  TT-1st Friday meetings.  CM-no one for August.  B-Astro on Tap speakers are good.  TT-over 125 members.  B-trip organizer, RubenG, event coming up.  $25 bus ride.  B-Endeavor shuttle, big area  BM-earthquake supports on shuttle.  B-how shuttle attached?  CM-3 points, well engineered.  not sure about explosive bolts.  B-seems it would fall over  CM-balanced.  B-exterior tanks lost?  CM-they never left them in space, dumped in ocean.  https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/flyout/index.html  .  B-orange tank.  CM-list of outreach events.
song:  "spaceship...call is heard"

46:30.740  music: GatoB "europa" B-descending on Mars now, intros.  BM-open console July21, Sat 9-11am, and Aug 19, Sunday silent movie, "The General" Buster Keaton (locomotive).  www.sbtos.org B-keep us posted B-TW, NY Times article, Shannon Hall, tilt of planet vs life on a planet.  Mercury no tilt, Uranus 90deg tilt.  Earth 23.5deg, Mars 25.9deg.  Could life depend on seasonal tilt?  Mars nutates, big tilts over millions of years.  TT-because without a big moon?  B-water floats when ice, fish live underneath.  Equator folks have little seasons.  CM-but seasons may cause effects there.  B-maybe 20-30 planets in Milky Way galaxy with life?  CM-life may be more common than we think, altho multi-cellular life is big step.  Tech life another step.  CM-spread spectrum comm may look like noise signal.  Adam Frank "Light of the Stars: Alien Worlds and the Fate of the Earth"   https://www.amazon.com/Light-Stars-Alien-Worlds-Earth/dp/0393609014/ref=sr_1_1/134-4614237-0578756?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1531168731&sr=1-1&keywords=adam+frank .  Global warming might be tough on life.  CM-evolution makes you selfish, so hard to share resources[?]

55:22.558  music: GatoB "Europa"  B-talking astrophysics, cosmology  BM-plate is full.  I like to look at objects that people like, like Saturn, M13 globular cluster.  B-rings around planets fairly common?  BM-outer planets  B-either a moon or a disk around a planet? BM-Saturn rings are mostly ice, 200Kmile dia.  TT-earth has a ring  CM-centaur asteroid has a ring TW-handles on Saturn  B-Galileo time they diappeared.  Webb tele 2021.  CM-infrared, mainly to see red-shifted cosmic dawn B

62.17.838 Music: GatoB  B-back with a vengence.  TomW, if inside a rotating drum in space giving 1g (2001 said to be rotating too fast); if in middle of drum, zeroG. so if run backwards and jumped up, would float?  TT-2001 movie shows them on ladder to center of drum.  BM-gravity depends on the radius and v2/r.  B-concave vs convex TT-head vs feet gravity effects?  BM- if 6ft tall in 7ft diameter drum.  TT-Ringworld, all are spinning.  B-Kelly astronaut changes.  Star party this Saturday.
68:16.218 end

180611 KZSB SBAU radio hour Baron, JW, CM, TW, TT crumby notes, download attached audio file to listen in.

00:00.000  JW-Nasa found organic compounds on Mars that might indicate life once existed there.  Also a fluctuation in atmospheric methane in different seasons.  B-JPL organic molecules, means was from living organisms.
01:33.687  be right back
01:46.862 Money: craig allen, TT - SpaceX as a good investment? B-Boring Co tunnels? Trump Singapore G7 1-805-898-1400.   Risden B's dentist
07:56.404  Earth/Sky Pandas food and climate change
09:26.187  B- JW-back on air TT-program on Polo Wednesday? like Croquet?  JW-crossword puzzle says only played right handed.  B-lots of questions.  What today for Astrophysics?  Mars? CM-mudstone.  B-Blueberries? CM-magnetite, lots of iron.  B-joined now by TomW bringing bread...off for the summer at Westmont? TW-fresh baked.  B-this was found on Mars?  TW-baking bread for the summer.  Went to Ojai music festival, director female violinist, orch from Moldova (next to Romania).  jazzy bit. went Thurs, Fri, Sunday.  missed SBAU potluck.  Bread to CM since they brought cookies to Tues telescope workshop.

15:04.501 music: it was a calm and cloudless night...1609 Galileo.  B-where did you get? CM- web Astro Capella.  Intros, CM, JW, TW, Westmont grades last May 9, TT.  B-relationship to local observatories? CM-volunteer arm for Museum, no pay.  JW-several worked on tweaking telescope. CM-closed recently due to construction.  B-nice pathways.  B-What dept runs Westmont Obs? TW-Physics, 200yds away. B-how to decide whre to put Obs?  TW-best place would have been tennis courts where previous scope was.  CM-baseball folks wanted to paint Westsmont  obs black, but that would have been worse for heat.  TW-I wanted to put up net.  CM-sprinklers. B-take students over to obs? TW-yes students solar and variable star work.  B-most lectures electrical?  TW-person retired on electrical circuits, so happy to take over. B-grand time at planetarium at Museum by TT. B-July meeting, Julian Nott to talk about balloons, July 6.  TW-Sky & Telescope, naked eye astronomy articles, Venus, Mercury will be available, but low in the east.  B-will share my Q at the planetarium next. music: Gato Europa.

24:36.380 music: ?  B-back w a vengence, poss becoming vp by the end of the year. TT, TW, JW, CM.  TW-June S&T mag, asterisms to view w/ naked eye.  Big Dipper, just a part of Ursa Major. Summer Triangle belongs to 3 constellations.  3 leaps of the Gazelle, the paws of Ursa Major, three pairs of stars have Arabic names.  CM-poke hole in bottom of dipper and it drips onto Leo.  B-Mr. Trotter sent story on double doubles, CM-those were eclipsing pairs, all gravitationally related.  JW-fairly easy gravitational calculations. B-wish I could show what you are doing with your fingers.  B-supposedly our solar system came from group of dust,  how to get two stars?  CM-see Jupiter.  JW-turbulences in disks, swirls condense.  B-how many asterisms?  CM-huge # if going telescopic.  B-planets on ecliptic? CM-projection of our orbit into the Sun.  JW-planet X possibly.  CM-may argue that it does not exist also.  B-Neptune CM-plane widens farther from Sun.  TT-Pluto way off, so Dwarf Planet.  B-New Horizons.  JW-high reliability, fewer parts, reaction wheels.  CM-just woke up New Horizon for next object.  B-also MakeMake out there?  CM-yes.  B-not on itinerary.  B-asteroid belt, kuiper belt, Oort all the same?  CM-more ice away from Sun.  B-Oort cloud, typical of most stars.  JW-may be another star will pass thru within a few years.  music star trek enterprise tv show...not gonna hold me down

38:15.490 music: as a spaceship flies, thru the endless void, black hole..and the engine died... B-SBAU hour, 93M miles, give or take, 2or3%.  TW-coming up on Solstice. newsletter. TT-RubenG info on Cal Sci Center.  TT-what is TNO? CM-trans neptunian object.  beyond Neptune, incl kuiper, scattered disk, oort.  B-Jupiter gravity JW-12x TW-sun 30x.  JW-stand on Jup, everything pulls on you.  but inside, pull evens out.  JW-drill a hole all the way thru the earth and jump in, you weigh nothing at center of earth (no air resistance for fall).  TW-90 min to go thru, just like orbiting earth.  B-Jules Verne story.  all the gold in the middle of earth? CM-Juno mission says Jupiter is not that concentrated in the core.  B-radar? CM-gravitational pull. B-how long will Juno orbit? CM-53 day orbit.  JW-if they lose fuel or lose funding, they will crash it into Jupiter.  B-intelligent life orbiting earth?  how do you know? TT-I love Lucy broadcasts. music: same

46:54.671 music: once i had enuf of a mass, i became a star of gas...B-from CM collection of silly songs of the cosmos. CM-Westmont 3rd Friday, ...etc events.  B-telescope clubs up Calif? CM-y.  JW-any events related to Mars. CM-Mars opposition end of July, best might be Refugio.  Cachuma events.  B-Lisa Osborn met at campout
TT-go to sbau.org events page.  B-looking for Ibrahim giving poem on bus to Cal Sci Center trip.  July 6 1st Fri meeting.  7p sharp planetarium show.  JW-thinking of Capital Steps show.  B-200x events year? CM-about that.  B-star party? CM-about 80 people.  B-SBAU blanket? CM-$20-25  B-TT doing food...TT-Cezanne doing most of the work.   music: helium...

56:17.605  music: burning so fast...B-going to see Dr Lance Boil.  B-SBAU best club name. B-groups? TT-ASP, CM-Western, AL TT: NSN? CM-night sky network.  B-asterisms seen against club purpose? JW-we look at anything up there.  made flashcards of constellations as a kid.  TW-coathanger  B-learned about Leonids meteor shower  TT-Tuttle comet debris CM-Swift-/Tuttle.  B-what TW doing this summer? TW-banjo, electronics.  TT-banned our electronic music at museum potluck, maybe have banjo?  B-Holst Mars only one that is loud enuf.  B-what talk at home?  JW-wife wants car in garage...208inches avail, car is 200in.
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180528 KZSB SBAU radio 1290AM Baron JW PatF 46min 180603 replay quick skippy notes:

00:00.000  News Press radio 1290AM. music: Gato Europa.  B-deep space.  JerryW President SBAU.  PatF wife with him.  B-used to do compatible couples and did "newlywed game" questions.  eggs? etc.  What attracted Pat to Jerry?   jerryW met patF in 1996.  married 2002?   JW-worked at SBRC, Raytheon bought in 1998.  B-read his article?  Pat-Neutron stars.  SBAU news letter article...Baron-Neutron stars, fused protons and electrons? JW- orbits vs. orbitals shell.  JW-Deuterium;  Fuse D into water, get D2O. in an atom stabelfor every.  But if Neutron on its own has15min half life.   anti-matter electron is positron.  everything is a balance in stars, gravity vs. heat pushing out.  if heat stops, gravitational compression heats core, fuses helium, carbon, highest fusion is iron, gravity pulls iron atoms together, protons become neutrons.    music: "Music of the Night") is a song from the 1986 musical The Phantom of the Opera. The music was written by Andrew Lloyd Webber with lyrics by Charles Hart.

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music: "a star of gas"  B-Memorial Day show, replayed several times.  Pat Friendship Center board member.  Solar eclipse Monmouth, Oregon, (also Australia).  Daughter becoming a registered nurse.  Pat-another daughter, JW-son phd environmental engineering, basically marine biologist.  JW-built 1st telescope in hs, small spot tele at 10yr, other friends also had them.  lay on ground, tripod on bench, then look up thru telescope.  we hear stars are points, but looked like disks in the out of focus star.  Newton made 1st reflecting telescope.  JW-holding tele is universal mount.  B-aware of what navy uses as periscopes?  JW-video camera now.  PF-7 teles?  JW-14" and 18".  telescope workshop w/ 3 others.  B-ChuckMcP camera use typical?  JW-camera integrates image photons over time, so makes much brighter image like people see in magazines.  Hubble is above atmosphere, but costs a lot to put up, 96" mirror, full resolution, but now adaptive optics, a rubber mirror in optical train, measure distortion of atmosphere if on earth, so much bigger telescopes can be used on earth.  B-takes a lot of pictures and averages them out?  JW-no, software stacking adding images together.  B-what is binary star system?  more than half of stars are.  music: Gato, Europa.

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music: "music of the night"  Pat/Jw wedding song.  JW-as a kid, went to Griffith Obs, planetarium, stars come out and music played, so I associate songs w/ stars.  Debussey.  B-Holst planets, Disney Fantasia.  JW-saw Berstein play Peter and the Wolf, love for 3 oranges, listen in person is best, w/ eyes closed, to not be distracted by visuals.  B-Disney did good visuals w/ music.  JW-Disney and Salador Dali did one, loneiness, "Destino".
B-Neutron stars is subject of month in SBAU newsletter.  TomW edits newsletter.  1st Friday of June not happening, as potluck is June 8  JW-parking not avail on June 1.  B-bring covered dish, JW-for members and guests. 

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music: Phantom of the Opera riding in boat J w/ mask on, Pat looking on. Richard on hold.  B-is water flowing in basement of church? JW-opera house.  PatF - chandelier comes crashing down.  RDupree-Do any Neutron stars have names?  JW-no, just number designations.  RD-57 named stars?  normal stars?  JW-yes diff categories, shown no H-R diagram, most stars are not "normal".  B-stars collapse and blow up?  JW-black hole has event horizon, neutron star event horizon is inside itself.  electron degenerate stars, exclusion principle.
If you see a business show chart with wiggle, compared to the straight line drawn, this is like types of stars.  B-singularity is where time stops?  JW-no, this is at surface of bh.  space ship appoaching black hole would seem to slow to stop, time goes slower.  Magnetar-so strong atom on surface, layers that are superconducting.

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music: Gato Europa B-elected VP of high school as a joke, still in touch w/ folks.  SBAU.org . join if u want munchies.  B-see LaLaLand?  dance among stars at Griffith.  PatF-talk about new VP...JW-guarantee to get elected, or appointed for rest of year.  JW-always talking about how few young folks attend club.  JW-going to iModonari next. See u next lunch.
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