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170213 KZSB SBAU radio show hosted by Baron, Ron Herron,  see attached audio file to download and play back:

Sloppy notes:
00:00.000 TomT in; Supremes music; TT impressed w/ lack of problems on crowded highway; B-telescope society? TT-AU, B-ParSec, JerryW entering, =parallax angle of one arcsecond

02:52.761  Earth-Sky NASA Aug 2012 launched mission studing Van Allen Belts, two doughnut shaped rings, radiation belts, twin spacecraft will sample area, Donny Vegas
04:45.403 Donny pool playing, JW voice recording for promo; B-Sat meeting, JW-Admin, TT-planning; B-trip anywhere?  JW-maybe not this year; TT-Allosphere at UCSB? ChuckM-30 foot sphere, like Star Trek Holodeck;
07:10.252 scary space news, first daily donald trump news 
07:34.201 I feel good; B-4 movers/shakers of club; TomW teaching lab on E-M for Life Science students, Pre-Meds; B-electricity/gravity questions later;

09:58.223 Chuck kazoo music, star of gas; B-pizza; AU unit, bigger group called the Parsec unit, intro's; JW-member of LA astro group at Griffity Obs B-where they danced into the sky; CM-credits to galaxy photo in background.  B-SBAU went down there last August, very crowded.  B-tells us schedule of events...TT-Westmont 3rd Friday, but looks to be a rainout. B-what goes on there?  TomW-teach at Winter Hall, bio, physics, psych, computer sci; teach labs, circuits.  TW-wanted JerryW to come out, but JW going to France.  JW taught before at UCLA, doctorate Condensed Matter Physics.  Chuck, stand up comedian.  TT-I can do up to 3rd grade.  B-i check out Google and Youtube info, latest space; CM-talk Feb 22 Lars Bilsten, helioseismology, at SBMNH.  Black Hole music.

19:20.771 Black Hole music...traffic announcement re: Turnpike. B-big eclipse, Aug 21, partial in California. JW-Oregon, taking solar telescope for viewing before the eclipse, near Salem.  TW-eastern Oregon or Wyoming. TT-any science during the solar eclipse? JW-Corona, CM-solar size variation. TW-Lockheed labs looking at solar corona, eclipse in Philipines, combined data.  B-rest of world does not see eclipse? CM-71% in SB, events in SB at MNH, Moxi; JW-use a collander for many eclipses at once. B-space station saw a black shadow on earth.  CM-just moon shadow. JW-may have been a conspiracy website.  B-What is Nibiru? giant planet past pluto? Planet Nine.  B-sun, just hydrogen?  but 90 other elements in Sun.  CM-star barf.  B-but where in Sun? JW-just trace elements. CM-H,He,Li,Be at Big Bang.  B-planets at that point? CM-gas planets.  TW-elements shown in spectrum emission lines.  B-what is surface at sun, fusion?  CM-layers. B- after 100K years, photons at surface.  Corona 1M degrees, but tenuous.   discuss element formation in stars.  fusion vs. fission.  TW-"gone fission". Star Trek Enterprise music: not gonna hold me down, got faith of the heart"

32:55.690 Star Trek Enterprise music: not gonna hold me down, got faith of the heart"  B-CM on drugs when picking the songs?  B-told in school, stars just Hydrogen.  hydrocarbons. B-Titan, moon of Saturn, is fog covered in this stuff.  talk at Farrand by [Mike Malaska JPL]. JW- human powered wings would work in thicker atmosphere and less gravity. But very cold, 70K.  Degrees discussion. C, F, K, not metric.  300K in room.  B-surface of Titan, liquid hydrocarbons? JW-Yes.  B-Hydrogen can be liquified? JW-Yes, but not on Titan. B-solids burn? JW-wood, Na, Cs, Mg.  CM-62 moons of Saturn. JW-some in rings. CM-some retrograde, highly tilted orbits.  CM-PHobos, Deimos of Mars thot to be collisional objects.  jazz

41:42.893 "it was a calm and cloudless night...1609 Galileo" CM-Astrocapella. B-something pushing on galaxy?  JW-great repulsor, objects tend to move away, a dipole field, maybe a huge black hole.  see: http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/02/04/ask-ethan-if-gravity-attracts-how-can-the-dipole-repeller-push-the-milky-way/#45198d144ed4  B-are not all galaxies moving apart? TT-clusters of galaxies JW-in zone of exclusion.  CM-local group TT-local neighborhood of galaxies.  CM-motions like eddys in a creek going different directions.  JW-universe like foam with empty bubbles.  B-like a filament? JW-Yes.  we can see 13.5B LY.  CM-everywhere is the center of the univers. TT-is this due to some Quantum Mechanic out there?  JW-quantum mechanics music: "Copernicus was right...telescope w me, on the shoulders of giants"

48:13.505 music: star of gas.  B-to join a group like the AU, is to see nighttime stuff.  Venus, is it closest planet? CM-yes.  Mars second.  CM-Kuiper is disk of stuff, Oort is a cloud.  Venus in evening.  JW-best to see Venus crescent in early evening.  CM-eclipse sun every 110 years.  B-planets not on same plane? CM-all vary.  B-Uranus turned sideways? cM-Yes.  Pluto comes closer than Neptune, in ecliptic?  CM-no, very tilted. B-Planet Nine. JW-they need to know distance or mass to find it.  B-dwarf planet? CM-spherical JW-and not cleared its orbit.  B-3? CM-5, but not Sedna. B-Voyagers off course? CM-an anomoly velocity caused by infrared pressure.  Arrival movie, Heptapods.  Feb 22 LCO talk at Museum.  56:01.497 end

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, President <president@ wrote:
       Begin forwarded message:
>     From: "Bob Brown" <bobbrownsb@
>     Date: January 28, 2017 at 10:17:07 AM PST
>     To: "Chuck McPartlin" <macpuzl@
>     Cc: <president@
>     Subject: Mike Jogoleff
>     Hello Chuck & Jerry,
>     Here is SBAU member Mike Jogoleff’s obituary as it appeared in Friday’s News Press...
>     http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/newspress/obituary.aspx?n=michael-p-jogoleff&pid=183733793&fhid=17760   
>     Might be nice to acknowledge Mike’s longtime membership in the club at our Feb. meeting, going back to the SB Astronomy Club’s days before they merged with the AU in the 1990’s.   
>     Bob Brown

Tom Cez <tomcez@
February 1, 2017 1:17 PM
to President, outreach, mike1, rubenalvag, bcc: me
Here are a couple of photos of Mike Jogoleff from Flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/27241501@N03/10677857514/
side view: https://www.flickr.com/photos/27241501@N03/8280608915/
Mike Farris may have some better shots when he was taking photos up front.
Do we need an obituary page for SBAU.ORG?  I will post into the SBAU Forum under "Club Miscellaneous".
TomT


Michael P. Jogoleff
Obituary
Guest Book

    "had many a trough with Mike, Dennis, and JoAnn....God Bless..."
    - Tony Tiger

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March 24, 1946 to January 7, 2017

Santa Barbara native Michael "Jug" Jogoleff, 69, passed away January 7, 2017 after a courageous battle with cancer.

Michael was born at the Old Cottage Hospital. His mother Celeste, and Aunt Dorothy moved to his lifelong home in Santa Barbara in 1950. He attended Dolores Catholic elementary and Bishop Diego High school. After high school, Michael's thirst for knowledge was not quenched. Michael also studied with: the University of New Mexico; University of Portland; Thunderbird School of Global Management; Santa Barbara City College. He earned both Bachelors and Masters Degrees from these Institutions.

Michael's passion in life was Amateur HAM radio. WA6MBZ "Jug" had his fingerprints on decades of engineering and technical support within the Santa Barbara Amateur Radio Club.

He served for a time on the Board of Directors of this great organization. Michael also mentored the youth of Santa Barbara in Ham Radio techniques and history.

Michael was also very involved in his church; Our Lady of Sorrows Catholic Community. He prepared, and helped serve meals to the needy, and homeless. He also helped with many special events within the Parish.

Michael was a member of many organizations in Santa Barbara. Among them were: The Audubon Society; the University Club; The local Astronomy Club; Lifetime Member of the NRA, and the Bungalow Association. Michael organized a neighborhood block party with the close-knit friends on Panchita Place 14 years ago; that continues today.

Michael will be greatly missed by boyhood friend and neighbor; his Buddy, Joe. From all the adventures in the hills, looking for a little bit better signal, to the many trips back and forth to the hospital; Joe was always there.

Mrs. J. and Mike's family will be forever grateful to him.

Michael was preceded in death by: his mother: Celeste Reding Jogoleff; Aunt Dorothy Reding; Grandparents; Aunts; Uncles and a Cousin.

He is survived by Cousins residing in Iowa, Washington and Idaho.

Services were held at Our Lady of Sorrows on January 12, 2017. Michael was laid to rest at Calvary Catholic Cemetery, Santa Barbara, California.

Science Pub: Astrophysics Applied to Climate Change
Monday, February 13, 2017
6:30 PM
Dargan's Irish Pub & Restaurant, 18 E. Ortega Street, Santa Barbara

Dr. Ray Weymann will present the February 13th Science Pub talk on "Astrophysics Applied to Climate Change." Learn about transitioning towards a low carbon emission economy. Dr. Weymann is a retired astronomer and astrophysicist, associated with the Carnegie Institution where he was director. His Ph.D. is from Princeton University. He is a founder of the Climate Science Rapid Response Team and past president of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific. Dr. Weymann has made notable contributions to astronomy in the areas of the evolution of high redshift galaxies and mass ejection from active galaxies. Admission is free but arrive early to get a seat and order food and drink. City parking lot #10 is located next door. For information call 805-682-4711 ext. 170 or scoleman@sbnature2.org.

I will try to keep these in order from latest to older emails from TimC or other announcers of the workshop nights.  TimC does such great notifications!  Note you can stretch the body of this note for a larger view.  Photos posted of the workshops on Flickr (search sbau, telescope) or directly https://www.flickr.com/photos/sbaushots/albums . Font too small to read?  Try Cntrl + "+" on your browser:

On 1/30/2017 1:48 PM, Tim Crawford wrote:
> Greetings,
> Tomorrow, Tuesday, January 31st we meet once again in Broder from 7:30-9 pm.
> Congratulations to Mike Chibnik for completing his 10" telescope and especially his fine mirror. The "e" and "f" stars in the trapezium are just waiting for you to observe cleanly!!!
> Let's continue with projects tomorrow night as well as speak of things to come. See you all there if possible.

On 1/23/2017 2:10 PM, Tim Crawford wrote:
> Greetings all,
> Tuesday, January 24, we are scheduling a workshop in Broder Building at the Museum. Usual time of 7:30-9 pm. May we please have the east gate open? Thank you!
> Please check the weather. We may have a little bit more precipitation yet. If any of you would like me to carry you and equipment over, let me know. We'll get you and equipment there and back from the parking lot.
> Hope to see you there.
> I will be going after a stubborn " turned down edge". For those of you on the email list not familiar with this, it is a somewhat typical flaw exhibited by the mirror during the figuring process. It is when the tool polishes away the edge of the mirror. This will effect the images your telescope will receive during observing. The way to correct a TDE is not to try to polish out the edge, but instead to attack the adjacent zone, that may be seen as "high". This way of looking at how to correct this is a pathway in learning to analyze problems that come up. It teaches us to look at things as a whole and not isolate any one part of the whole. To clarify this a little more though, with a TDE, we must correct it before we can go forward to figuring the entire mirror correctly. That may seem as a contradictory statement but it is not. The TDE is one of those singular issues that must be addressed before moving on to the whole mirror being completed.
> Need more clarification? Come on by and we'll let you know much more.

On 1/15/2017 9:20 PM, Tim Crawford wrote:
> We are scheduling a workshop this week, Tuesday,  January 17th from 7:30-9. pm. I hope you all can join us at the Broder Building across the creek at the Museum. May we please get the east gate open? Thank you much!
> This week, projects continue. We have a new 14" mirror in the works now. There are at least 2 other projects going on as well. I believe there is an 8" and 10" mirror in finishing stages.
> In the future I will be taking on a 16" mirror. As I am getting older now, it is imperative to make these larger scopes light in weight. Otherwise, they will not get much use in the field at all. I suggest, if you have not done so already, looking into the scopes Albert Highe makes. He is an absolute genius when it comes to reducing the weight of scopes, making them portable as well as easy to use for older or challenged people.
> For me, I live in a home that has a set of steps to negotiate, coming and going to star parties. I got this 16" mirror a few years back when I wasn't so concerned getting it to the car or back in the house. Now, it has become a real issue. Please take this into account when you want to purchase a telescope. As we have all heard before, "the best telescope is the one you will use the most." How true!
> See you all Tuesday,

On 1/8/2017 9:13 PM, Tim Crawford wrote:
> Greetings,
> We meet again at the Broder Building this Tuesday night, from 7:30-9 pm. May we please have the east gate open? Thank you much. In fact folks, I want to give a shout out to Jacques at the Museum for helping us to have our Tuesday evenings go so well. Jacques is the man who opens up the buildings, makes sure we are all intact, before and after, and in general, is there for all our needs as well as looks after the Museum at night.  Thank you so much Jacques!!!
> I also want to give a big congratulations to Mike Chibnik for completing his 10" mirror, that is now complete. ( I think the mirror is actually up north ). I know the scope is next to being complete now and awaiting first light. Hooray for you Mike!
> This week, I think we will be continuing projects or as with Mike he may be starting yet another  project, a 14". As I alluded to last week, so much to do, so little time. Come on down and start a project for yourself, or come on by with a friend, an acquaintance to ask the experts for help with your scopes, your questions on astrophotography or just to tune up your optics.
> You are as welcome as the flowers in May ( and I'm actually looking forward to the flowers in May).

Hello SBAU members!
I have recently acquired two older refractors - 60mm and 76mm.  I freely confess I do not wish to buy a quality laser collimator to test the alignment of their focusers, and would very much appreciate getting some help with collimation of these at one of the ATM workshops.

1.  If someone regularly attends the ATM workshop has a laser collimator and some expertise in refractor testing, I would love to bring these scopes down to the SBNHM on any Tuesday that they would name and come to help me out.

2.  I note that my newt Cheshire creates 'doughnut' reflections off the 76mm primary (F=1200mm) that look basically centered.  However, the reflected images are SO Small, and my eyes are not nearly good enough to detect if these multiple refections are truly concentric. The cell does have collimation screws if needed.

There are a couple of tricks that have been posted on the Cloudy Nights forums that look like they would help with this latter issue, but I am on new ground here and would very much appreciate some help getting these old refractors tuned up.

Thank you!
John Edkins

170109 January 9, 2017 KZSB SBAU radio hour notes Baron, JW, CMcP, TW, TT
-play attached audio file to listen

833am pre-show conversations
00:00.000 lightning but no thunder heard by some, TomT refreshments, ChuckMcP re: Red Nova, Mike Brown planet Nine on 60 minutes.
03:05.962  gang here, Baron naming TT, JW, CMcP, JerryW planet formation meeting was great, Josh Garber, geologist.  ChuckMcP scary email on Red Nova, CM-probably orange to our eyes, bright as Polaris.  2022.2  Mike Brown, planet nine, 10 earth masses. JW-not Mike Brown demoting Pluto, just found another object like Pluto.  B-great time to be in astronomy.  CM-story of naming Makemake.  B-BruceM?  CM-skiing.  JW-TomW a last min guy.
08:10.578 phone ring, no caller; B-annoying calls technique, JW-once told phone company he could help them block calls.
09:40.458
09:50.422 CM-first tuesdays

9:05am
11:01.111 SBAU Show Part1: Universe in the Radio acapella, B-2nd, 4th Mondays, TomT will intro others B-this is an outreach, 6 of these get a free membership!  2nd Saturday at museum, 3rd Friday at Westmont.  CM-school science nights, email outreach@sbau.org. B-TomW entering studio.  B-red nova?  TomT-Michigan Christian college discovered, they say they are better in astronomy, so Westmont should be able to do this as well.  CMcP-two stars merging in 5 years, JW-like throwing more logs on fire.  TomW-Roche lob of atmospheres combining, like CM said, peanut shaped.  JW-gravity pull of one star to other.  B-orbiting each other, CM-minutes apart, accretion disk with one particle 2022.2.  TT-how detected? CM-see light pattern decreasing, JW-other stars have done that in past w/ same light curve, CM-in other cases, they see nova first and then go back in archive of astro photos. song: "when I was a child I tuned in to a galactic community"

22:10.010  acapella song cont.: "I look up to the sky at night...are we all alone..." B-intros, TT-food guy, JW-SB remote sensing, CM.  B-satellite between sun earth?  JW-Lagrange point, million miles; James Webb telescope avoids heat signature from earth.  B-?  JW-they will see fainter objects, Brown dwarf stars.  B-do stars use fission? fusion! Jupiter would not qualify?  CM-about 80 Jupiters would.  JW-need 10M degrees in center. B-if on planet around a red dwarf, ok to look at a Red Dwarf star?  CM-depends on distance  TT-eyes might be bigger  JW-may look like white to those evolved around that.  Proxima planet seen by light variation, JW-spectral lines moving, gives estimates of how many planets. B-how many exoplanets? CM-about 4K now. TomW-wobbling stars, Jupiter mass causes a 5m/s pivot around center of gravity.  earth causes 1m/s CM-and that can be measured.  TT-so when planets line up, that causes earthquakes?  JW-urban legend, 1964 that happened and folks claimed Calif would fall into the ocean.  B-Q on TomW classes, wants to audit. TW-electronic circuits, life sci physics.  self taught in electronics due to physics grad student. JW-dinosaurs back when I did that.  B-magnatars talk in class? hard on iron in blood? JW-other things to worry about if near one!  song "cruising at 78, over a hilltop, sun in her eyes...caught by a speedtrap..."

34:19.055  acapella song "xrays...heavy stars...supernovae...if we had xray eyes"  B-shopping center setup a problem?  CM-we choose the bright Moon nights there.  B-Tuesday workshop at Museum?  JW-3 of us there to help.  B-James Webb?  JW-Helium cooling to due Infrared work, 4 kelvin.  B-spectrum, E-M, eyes visible light.  Gamma, xrays?  JW-fuzzy boundaries between named areas.  low energy, longer wavelengths.  B-visible betw infrared and ultraviolet.  JW-organic molecules bonds can be broken by xray wavelength.  Gamma is shortest, highest energy.  B-radio waves can be made by oscillating crystal.  How make gamma wavelength?  JW-smash atoms.  B-speed of light for E-M waves? JW-yes. Some sun items slower than speed of light.  photons in sun?  CM-emitted and absorbed many times, so gamma to xray to visible.  JW-nuclear fusion. 

44:06.377  acapella song "last century...latitude so low, you are a cloud in history..." B-spectroscopy how do frequencies line up?  CM-temp indicated by spectra. JW-sun spectra shown to Baron.  JW-black lines caused by colder gas above the sun absorbing light frequencies due to those elements.  B-92 elements JW-some elements share lines TomW-continuous color from just inside sun surface, like a filament in a light bulb, black lines give the sun's signature.  cooler gas absorb certain freq lines, Kirchhoff laws https://www.e-education.psu.edu/astro801/content/l3_p6.html , helium discovered in sun from spectra lines.  CM-burn Ca in flame you get yellow light.  Some elements of sun are 3rd/4th generation from other stars.  song: "calm and cloudless night, shaking of universe to occur, Galileo used telescope for very first time"

51:18.247  song "he saw Jupiter w/ 4 tiny moons" B-SBAU will come and sing these  TT-for a steep price B-lots of Astro talks in town, Tabby's star CM-public has Neil Degrasse Tyson as a rock star getting public excited.  TomW-freq of visible 10^15, gamma 10^19.  background radiation of universe is about 1cm wavelength, 21cm is used by astronomers.  JW-billion waves in an inch for visible.  B-want to audit class JW-maybe Westmont has policy to check on that.
57:25.953 end

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161226 KZSB radio show notes, audio attached

00:00.000 B, ChuckMcp, arrived, TomT arrival, Passenger movie, B-ask TomW what class start is like.  Ben Hayes, KZSB start.
04:48.096 Amos new years song;
11.39.055 Trail quest Big Caliente Hot Springs; earth/Sky ad
13:04.574 Frank Sinatra, Richard Dupree football score Miami of Ohio vs Mississippi State 3-0;  "mass driver" TT-sounds like a coil, RD-1977 definition: large EM catapult, CMcP, Heinlein story? B-use Wikipedia to see Rail Gun.  Ralph Roster Doster.
16:22.559 B

16:42.401 Holst-Jupiter B-sounds like a western; BruceM on phone,Organ society Pres; TT intro TomW, ChuckMcP; B-can handle more members? Fleischmann? TT-only 45 show normally; B-free membership if outreach; TT-KZSB is outreach; Westmont outreach was cold; B-start w/ ask TomW about Westmont class day one talk: TomW--lab, life sci majors, list experiments, computer driven experiments; Newton's law of cooling, Galileo gravity; honor students helping at Observatory.  B-hygrometer w/ hair; BM-organ dates;
27:38.133

Holst-Mars B-Nat Geo Mars series on; half doc, then year 2033; BM-cox stupid little box; B-speaker on Novaes, supernovas, sun will not end like that; why does explosion occur, over gravitational collapse? TomW-core collapse, depends on mass CMcP-B asking why rebound and explosion.  CMcP: neutron star fr electrons fuse w/ proton, rigid ball, gigantic flood of neutrinos creates shockwave plus outer onion skin thermonuclear explosions.  B-fission vs. fusion TT-proton of H to He two protons+neutrons.  CMcP Degenercy pressure B-if star size of earth orbit, 8min for explosion?  CMcP neutrino detectors give pre-warning of explosion.  100 supernovas ea night.  Milky Way, 1/century, we are overdue. CM-Betelguese astro seismology can be seen.  Tenuous. JerryW said it gets hot.
39:27.239

Holst-Mars B-drama on Mars series, humans fighting, guest speaker, TT-Jan 6 Josh Garber, geology of exoplanets, CM-earth in context.  TT-we need people to call 564-1290.  B-this is a renaissance time, so many missions.  Juno, Cassini, TT-ISS CM-MRO; B-live NASA.  B-BruceM? BM-so many, pictures on wall of various Shuttle missions, over 100.  Cal Sci Center.  B-lost shuttles, Columbia, CM-predicted # of losses.  B-Nat Geo series shows people in confinement, only 2 of 12 come out OK.  B-Vandenberg has unmanned shuttle.  Kelly brothers, talk in town, hard on body coming back to earth. BM-Lu talk.  BM-astronauts over 6months, eyes get flat.  BM-my telescope focus seems to match people even if they take glasses off.  CM-accomodation.  B-Saturn CM-close to sun, 29 yr orbit.  B-farther planet from sun, the slower it goes.  Jupiter spins once per 10 hours.
49:42.768

Holst-? CM-Star Cluster in 1950's, Joe Danley call w/ Q: full moon rainbow ring, what causes that? ice crystals?  TT-22 degree ring, CM- Atoptics.uk webpage pictures of various effects. B-see circle if in a plane. TomW-ice crystals are hexangonal.  B-solar eclipse next year? TomW-August 21, no telescope, just binoculars for trip.  Annular eclipse vs. total.  TomW-Sundogs prismatic refraction hexangonal on either side of Sun 60 degrees.  B-spectrometer? RGYB.  BM took pic of ring around moon.
56:12.586

Holst-Mercury B-AU society, will explain it if something seen; solar eclipse? TT-Oregon across US to Carolinas. TomW-east of Cascades.  CMcP-Sheridan, Wyoming, just use eyeball.  TomW-Venus is pretty right now.  B-window to launch to Mars? two weeks, no gravitational assist needed.  Juno & Cassini missions did use that.  CM-RTG power, crash to Saturn in 2017.  Voyagers, New Horizons, record attached, Hawking says not a good idea.  BM-organ play, jan 14, CM-evening Star Party also.
62:32.613 end

161212 KZSB SBAU radio show December 12 2016 Baron JW TW CM TT BM; show mp3 attached 54 minutes w/ commercials, recorded on replay Sunday 3pm.

00:00.000 B-intros.  Tabby's star discussed re: talk this evening.  Star movement, Saturn's rings.  Star Trek intro music.
10:12.000 commercial

12:11.000 B-intros.  BruceM pipe organ.  Telescopes and tracking, GoTo mounts, JW-voice activated mount control. Orion. SBAU planetarium show vs art work for constellations, naming southern constellations.  TW-88 constellations.  more planetarium discussion, only one in SB.
24:46.000 commercial

26:48.000 Holst Mercury TT-goes around at 100Kmph. B-is it tidally locked w/ sun? no, not like Moon.  Pluto lock, resonance w/ Neptune. CM-get to see 60% of moon, JW-lunar libration, wobble. TW-up/down 5.2% so can see a little more on top at times.  Mars, Neptune moons will eventually come into planet.  B-fragments, JW-Roche limit.  Shoemaker-levy comet into Jupiter broke up.  B-why planets survive?  CM-far enough away from Sun.  JW-asteroid belt controlled by Jupiter.  B-Juno mission ok?  JW-results from 1st pass, showing band clouds are 300km deep.  B-red spot?
36:03.000 commercial

38:04.000 Holst Jupiter.  B-300yrs of red spot.  Tabby star talk.  Niburu false planet. JW-planet IX beyond Pluto may be real.  BM-moon reflects 16% like asphalt.  B-what else is going on out there, Missions?  CYGNSS mission to launch soon, to see hurrican winds. Cassini mission to end 2017.  Mars Rover mission.  ESA to send a rover 2020, but recent test crashed.  Russians responsible for landing part, but never have worked yet.  B-Spirit, Opportunity?  JW-one still works.  Technology satellites for testing.
45:16.000 commercial

47:16.000 Holst Saturn, bringer of old age.  B-club has food, want Devils eggs!  TW-newsletters.  color online.  Speaker for January, exoplanet geology, ucsb.  JW-information from light.  B-white spot on Neptune? CM-black spot, comes/goes.  TT-clouds on Neptune 1000mph.  Westmont outreach coming up.  Moon occults Aldebaran.  CM-for science, need exact timing.  B-outreaches have tiny little Saturn...JW-people love it.  TT-winter solstice coming up.  shortest light of the year.  SciEng council meets.
53:58 end

11-28-16 KZSB SBAU radio show 4th Monday of month, 830am-10am,  cropped radio audio attached to this post, download and play with your audio player program:

00:00.000  Baron mentions AU coming in
00.11.228  song Soldier Boy, AU mention
01:47.963  ChuckMcP in, Big Bank Theory, meet Fri night, Black Hole talk see variations using small telescope.
02:52.191  Ben Hayes, Earth Sky, human blood, worlds oldest, ice man's.  victim of oldest know crime.  song.  B-this shows topic? CM-James Webb.
05:02.374 
05:08.341 JerryW Sudoku
05:39.120
05:53.646 TomW James Webb, CM-reaction wheels failing

08:41.047  B-read screen, Univ of Space, top 5 most well known galaxies.  2-toms 1 jerry 1 chuck + Bruce. T-slate of officers for approval; T-Jerry to do Eclipse talk.  Bruce organ.  JPL trips.  Chuck-outreaches. BM-out last night, high altitude winds make for wiggly mess, clear, but not good seeing.  B-Q?  Air transparent, why bad seeing?  CM-  JW-refractive index of air varies with temperature variations and wind density changes.  B-compensate for that?  adaptive optics.  SBIG used to make a tip tilt device for amateur telescopes. T-adaptive optics.  TW-Westmont end of year.

20:14.442  "5 planetary bodies that can sustain life"  B-we're on one, CM-if we do not mess it up.  JW-presentation Eclipse CM black hole oscillation.  B-Tt did good job as pres.  TW-James Webb, up 2018, JW-mirror assembled.  18 segments, TW-opens like a flower.  TW-7 times the collecting space, infrared.  info from back in universe shifted to infrared.  B-all photons the EM? JW-visible is 550nm, radio at 7m, infrared 5microns wavelength.  TW-sits at Lagrange 2, 1M miles away, so it has to work.  5 lagrange sites.  B-one in front of earth? T-Discovr mission.  JW-Hubble will not be serviced anymore. BM-gryoscopes, reaction wheels.  JW-also gives axis you can push against.  B-not synchronous at 23K miles? JW-higher than ISS, hard to reach.  James Webb to get away from Earth infrared heat BM-shielded from sun.  B-infrared below red, also ultraviolet? JW-some animals can see into infrared: rattlesnake pits, and misquito TW-bumblebees see into UV.  BM-yellow patio lights do not attract mosquitos, but bug trap lights do.  B-infrared sees galaxies going away from us BM also visible like Hubble used.  TW-6 shift. CM-space expansion for far away galaxies shifting into infrared.  TW-may be looking at first stars created, Pop 3 stars, low metal.  B-are we seeing stuff we are made of?  CM-1st 10-36sec...

34:09.405  B-youtube video background.  B-NY Times article on James Webb, 18 hex segments.  JW-little positioners on each mirror.  B-explosive bolts?  BM-not good for debris.  CM-testing positioning the first month.  JW-a lot of risk management. B-housed in tube?  CM-fits inside a bullet shaped shroud.  B-Keri Bean talk on Dawn Mission to asteroids, big solar panel, how do they roll it up?  CM-some roll, some fold.  TW-James Webb has heat shields that fold out.  B-is Hubble protected by earth mag field?  JW-van allen belt.  CM-sometimes pockets of mag field traps particles.  JW-Jupiter has bigger magnetic field.  BM-Cosmos 24 episodes, evolution occurs even bottom of ocean or thermal vents at Yellowstone.  B-life could start there?  CM-Europa water. B-needs sunlight? CM-no just energy and different. B-size CM-21ft across to fold up.  B-18 flat mirrors?  BM-sections of a curve.  "thanks to this the Kepler space telescop, the most powerful planet hunter ever built"

43:48.320  "twin planets emerged"  B-AU BruceM on line, BM-open console is this Saturday, anyone can play.  B-requested Bach's contata.  9-11am.  B-SBAU meeting?  JW-iron gate to Museum, sign to Farrand hall.  B-Westmont Obs? TW-ken Kilstrom chair of physics.  Finals. TT-what are some of the Q's you will be asking?  TW-absolute mag, properties of stars, optics, kids have been doing research on variable stars.  TT-nova in sagittarius visible? CM-bunch of fun stuff out there.  B-of billions of stars in Milky Way, only a supernova rarely. CM-Eta Carina maybe next.  JW-Other galaxies have supernovas going off.  CM-1604 was last in our galaxy.  BM-M81 lasted 2 wks.  B-Kepler supernova 1604.  CM-some reflections maybe Tycho supernova remnant.  B-diff btw super and hypernova  CM-beam of radiation from Hypernova.  B-our sun white? JW-it defines white.  JW-used to refer to it as a yellow dwarf, but so many now just in the middle.  TW-mean light is 504nm yellow green wavelength.  TT-bigger than 88% of stars.  B-red dwarfs have more goldilocks zones?  CM-easier to find, but not always a good star to have a planet around.  BM-Drake equation.  B-all these conditions for life.  Neil degrass tyson say no place on earth is as hostile as Mars.  "as we have gazed upon the stars..."

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