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 on: April 10, 2017, 12:37:33 PM 
Started by TomT - Last post by TomT
170410 KZSB SBAU radio show quick sloppy notes:
(see attached radio audio file to click on or download to play)

00:00.000 approx. 840am, pre-show talk: B-trying to think of songs w/ girls names, and Texas has several. JerryW in, TomT not, B-SBAU next May meeting, AdrianL looking for members to talk?  B-signed up to ask Q's. Save me for afterwards? signed up to bring food to meeting.  JW-several members want to speak, 2 open w/ May speaker skipping till August. 

03:12.240 B-(talk w/ Donny) Felt guilty so bringing potluck food hot dogs or chips/dip to SBAU potluck next time.
03:47.679 B-waiting for capt. Breadbaker coming in? TomT has cold, maybe star party?
04:12.430 B-Full moon, sat night.  Aug 21, Total Solar eclipse coming up. nw to se. CM-72% covered in SB.
05:02.353 KZSB names. looney tunes. B-Bruce, did you set up telescope in driveway? yes 40ft from Chuck. JW yours there? no.  B-assignments? CM-used to give out handouts; students sometimes get extra credit.  JW-sometimes folks as for things; easy GoTo system on mount. BM-will do a tour w/ folks. B-color on Chucks? CMcP-Orion nebula in sword.

08:22.046 ~905am SBAU show start: music: Where are you little star?  B-three here, one on phone, missing TomW, TomT; BruceM on phone, sits up front at meetings. 1st Fri, then 2nd Sat.  JW and CMcP outreaches so much, he could not make last Friday general meeting, since he was outreaching.  CM-El Cap, under tarp in rain showing rocks. B-BruceM take telescopes out? Bruce almost all.  Places: CM-Carp St. Beach, Refugio, Cachuma, Bacara...   B-Camino Real Market, very bright  BM-do it for the bright moon or venus.  CM-1st qrt moon. BM-caters illum from side, some sense of depth. B-cannot see stuff on moon w/ biggest telescope? JW-not big enough, tele not big enuf.  CM-LRO pics on moon can now see footprints; by NASA.  BM-from earth of Apollo stuff would need 2mi across mirror. JW-30M tele. B-golden age of astronomy, every week something new.  CM-chem sees electrons.  B-Club telescope aspect; giveaways of telescopes?  JW-bought or donated, usu. a  raffle to giveaway.  Also, AU has scopes you can use 12".  B-in club are SBCC Erin Oconnor, CM-Sean Kelly, gave a talk. B-Sean Space Elevators talk last friday.  Carbon nanotubes.  JW-showed video of manuf, single layer flat hexagonal, rolled in tubes, strongest material.  B-Arthur C. Clarke came up w/ elevator, climbs cable.  JW-23K miles long. I'm calibrated in old english system. B-confusing to convert temps? JW-F,C,K  BM-metric system is nice, no conversion factors for MKS needed. B-which came first? BM-English system. Cubits?  866-564-1290, streaming on newspress.com.

19:00.222 all rise, monkey has learned how to use a bone 2001 music; psychotic red lens talking to astronauts; B-Jim Salser invited me to Oxnard rock event, bringing Led Zepellin, got to talk real low using Strauss to intro group.  Bruce-Pres Arlington Theatre Organ Society, 4 man, 27 rank.  Hal Conklin on board, running for mayor.  Anyone can play organ.  B-any office of AU?  BM-no, but 127 outreaches last year. B-was unfamiliar w/ outreach before joining SBAU.  CM-was computer nerd. JW-SBRC. Some folks snuck signatures on spacecraft components.  1998 Raytheon bought all of SBRC - Hughes, changed name to Direct TV.  B-Delco? JW-part of GM, Hughes was part of GM.  BM-when Hughes was taking over GM, but salaried union was upset.  JW-Hughes in 1957. started w/ Hughes research 1969, building Ranger to land on moon, it is said Hughes called to freeze the design as it worked adequately, not what engineers like to do.  B-today Nasa, Musk, Bezos.  getting boosters back.  Rockets landing engines first. JW-like old scifi stories. Companies work w/ UCSB, some call area Silicon Beach.  B-does Univ have Obs of own?  CM-Sedgwick. BM-robotic telescope.  B-ticks me off, DJs can run by laptop computer vs playing records directly.  B-did JW hit retirement age? JW-retired to avoid 10% loss in pay.  CM-worked for little co. CompTech bought by Northup Gruman.  Met Pat? 1988  BM-Delco 37 years, EE, all interesting.  Reliability 14K ft of water instrument built 1972, still working, they cannot kill it.  music...Ricard Strauss Thus spoke Zarathustra

30:34.509 "dah dah dum..., why havent i found you, oh baby, i tell every little star..." B-best star? CM-Alberio, BM-eye of swan.  B-half of stars are double? CM-or triples. BM-Alberio stars 4700AU apart, 100K yr orbit.  B-all doubles viewable?  Cub scout star JW-UCLA star.  CM-sometimes spectroscopic means needed to see.  B-name some? Alpha Centauri, Eta Carina, Regulus, Sirius, BM-some vary Mizar/Algol.  B-possible planets orbiting both stars at same time?  CM-yes, both ways. JW-planets orbit sun. BM-Jupiter moves Sun almost its diameter.  B-bigger stars far out from star? JW-giant gas planets are being found first as exoplanets near star, Hot Jupiters.  B-saw on youtube, fast stars going around black hole in Milky Way, some binary, occasionally, binary could lose one to black hole?  CM-could be three body interaction.  JW-yes possible.  CM-Globular Cluster have interactions like that, as stars get thrown off.  B-MW has? CM-about 150 Globs.  B-why not collapse?  CM-energy flying around, no organized pattern.  B-if collide?  CM-maybe a Blue Straggler forms.  B-2001, add mass to Jupiter, it would become a sun?  JW-yes, Jupiter radiates infrared heat. B-Io heat? CM-tidal force heating.  BM-many models of Callisto, layers of ice and salt water.  B-life replication? CM-not sure of initial chemistry, RNA maybe.  CM-polycyclichydrocarbons  B-maybe we can go speed of light, stars fly by in scifi, CM-dont bump into one.

44:01.299  music: "I've got sunshine on a cloudy day...my girl". B-so much to talk about, if geology show CM-talk about rocks and exoplanets.  B-next meeting, JW-guest had conflict, moved his talk to August.  JW-hard to fit in small talks before a major one.  making it a member's night, 3-4 talks.  Adrian coordinating, 2 openings.  B-i might have been first, but dont put me in if others apply, just wanted to ask questions.  Exoplanets, odds of catch planets on the ecliptic?  CM-transits; need several crossings to be sure. planets are like ants out there.  JW-few %, just random. CM-0.5% chance of edge on catching planet around a star; also grav lensing, testament to how smart people are.  BM-People thot that other solar systems would be like ours, but a lot of planets have short orbit times JW-those were picked up first. BM-but some thought it was just noise in signal. B-big teles? BM-just a camera. JW-spacecraft ones best. B-all stars systems disks?  CM-less likely, but can happen.  BM-pluto  CM-Oort cloud of outer items.  B-small galaxies merging w/ MW?  JW-some limping away after merging.  music: guitar twanging

50:47.999  music:  weird noise to old astro music  B-what is up?  CM-Westmont outreach this Friday. 29th is Astro day at Camino Real Marketplace. mirror making, some goodies. all day, stars at night. prizes. B-rulers?  B-fascination of so many things.  JW-sometimes we do not know the answer.  new knowledge, like relativity course as an undergraduate, takes time to understand.  B-multiverse, cannot be known? Q's from folks. CM-They grade on a curve, because it is all relative.  BM-article said real universe is 10 to 23rd larger than we can see.  Everyone has Univ around thme of 18B light years.  CM-13Blt yr radius. CM-  sbau.org  telescope tuesday.   music: astro still playing in background into news! 
55:45.148 end

 on: April 02, 2017, 05:30:05 PM 
Started by Africajill - Last post by TomT
I heard Jerry, SBAU President, had sent you a reply already on this, but here and attached are some Celestron info in case his recommendations on eyepiece placement distance did not work (you are using a diagonal with the eyepiece, correct?).
Chuck McPartlin and I tried to help you set up your scope at his driveway, a while back.

If you still need help, please feel free to email me at tomcez @ gmail.com or call at 562-8795. Tom Totton

From the Celestron EdgeHD Series manual for OTA's (see attached file) this is the part about focusing and locking the clutches, so read it carefully.

Your telescope's focusing mechanism controls the primary mirror which is mounted on a ring
that slides back and forth on the primary baffle tube. The focusing knob, which moves the
primary mirror, is on the rear cell of the telescope just below the star diagonal and eyepiece.
Turn the focusing knob until the image is sharp. If the knob will not turn, it has reached the
end of its travel on the focusing mechanism. Turn the knob in the opposite direction until the
image is sharp. Once an image is in focus, turn the knob clockwise to focus on a closer object
and counterclockwise for a more distant object. A single turn of the focusing knob moves the
primary mirror only slightly. Therefore, it will take many turns (about 30) to go from close
focus to infinity.
For astronomical viewing, out of focus star images are very diffuse, making them difficult to
see. If you turn the focus knob too quickly, you can go right through focus without seeing the
image. To avoid this problem, your first astronomical target should be a bright object (like
the Moon or a planet) so that the image is visible even when out of focus. Critical focusing is
best accomplished when the focusing knob is turned in such a manner that the mirror moves
against the pull of gravity. In doing so, any mirror shift is minimized. For astronomical
observing, both visually and photographically, this is done by turning the focus knob
Mirror Support Clutches
The EdgeHD Optical tube is equipped with mirror tension
clutches to help support and minimize lateral movement of
the primary mirror during astrophotography.
To use the mirror clutches:
1. Use the focus knob to adjust the primary mirror
to the desired focus.
2. Once in focus, turn the two mirror lock knobs
clockwise until both are very tight and can be
turned no further.
Warning! Once the mirror is locked down, do not turn
the focuser knob without loosening the mirror locks first
Although turning the focus knob should not damage the
telescope, undue stress can be placed on the focus mechanisms causing excessive image shift while focusing."

 on: April 02, 2017, 04:24:52 PM 
Started by TomT - Last post by TomT
170327 KZSB SBAU radio show 4th Monday, from 9am Sunday 3pm repeat. Baron Ron Herron, Jerry Wilson, Tom Whittemore, Chuck McPartlin.   click on attached file for audio playback.

far from perfect notes:
00:15.642 song: "calm and cloudless night...Galileo used his telescope for the very first time" JerryW, ChuckMcP, TomT not here, should take Yamaha w/ wife on back, he is at high desert.  1st Friday of month AU has speaker, Jupiter 5AU, occultation, Baron-Q's about Sun today, Sean Kelly meeting, Q's during talk?  TomW not seated, Dr. Whittemore, Mcp is backbone of club, Chuck-more like rear end. B-Many outreaches, dont need Totton, kids like space. B-Sun, mostly H, JW-ball of plasma B-one of 4 states of matter, all of this H, in our Sun, 800,000 miles across, 100xEarth diameter. TW-fusion just in core.  B-light we see came from inside. JW-some from surface, electron fall in levels as plasma cools.  B-Sun fusing for 4.5Billion years, CM-3rd generation star B-begin of univ was all H CM-+He, CM-all protons in center, so need pressure to jam protons together to fusion.  TomW-random walk of gamma rays JW-drunkard finding his car.  JW-neutrinos go straight out from the core. B-all this stuff from the Sun may hit our DNA. JW-usually not good mutation.  CM-like throwing piece of metal into car engine.  "Galileo saw craters on the moon..."

14:08.078 Holst, Saturn music.  B-where Cassini probe has been CM-14yrs.  B-power from nuclear RTG. JW-launched over unpopulated areas usually. except for North Korea. Russia over unpop land.  CM-text Q from Tim Crawford, why gamma rays turn into visible light. JW-Sun emits wide range.  Dwarf star G2 is Sun, altho bigger than most stars.  JW-heat is produced by absorption of light and emitted as infrared[?].  B-flares? JW-CME corona mass ejection, throws particles. CM-mag field lines reconnect gives flares. TW-mag field has a source and entry, and out and an in, in on the North, out on the South. JW-  CM-Sun is a fluid ball B-Sun reverses? JW-all the time, mag field lines flip TW-differential rotation on the Sun, 27 days at equator, 36 days at poles of sun, causes mag fields. B-solar wind, we are protected by our Mag field, solar wind affected by Sun mag field?  JW-sun mag field lines split during flares. CM-mag fields extend far out from Sun also, carrying things.  B-Mars? JW-does not have dynamo, metal works well.  TW-Zyman effect of mag field, earth about 1/2 Gauss. 

25:40.959 Holst, Venus...B-all the planets are asleep with this music.  TomW-Jupiter is wild. worked at Lockheed, solar group, missions on sounding rockets measuring solar corona.  CM-possibly micro flares.  JW-very low density. TW-13 electrons ripped from iron, so hot plasma.  JW-leaving electrons behind like luggage.  B-gold particles from Sun?  CM-cosmic rays maybe heavy stuff.  B-neutrinos at speed of light, not stopped.  CM-can go thru 14 miles of lead before stopping.  JW-earth is transparent to them.  but neutrinos changed types between sun and earth.  B-dangerous?  JW-neutrinos postulated by Fermi that are not detectable.  CM-detecting neutrinos now, give warning of a supernova happening.  B-light tsunami.  heavy elements seem grouped together.  JW-earth lumps them together. B-Totton, he's not listening, probably in middle of cactus garden in Palm Springs.

32:40.183 Jean Luc Ponty music.  B-jW sent email about not being able to describe the Big Bang, but some do? JW-singularity, could have been spread over large area in other dimensions, TW-brane.  JW-like shower of sparks from metal colliding.  B-discovering Dark Matter not counteracting?  CM-more Dark Energy forcing things apart.  Dark means we do not know.  JW-may be property of spacetime itself.  B-may come back together?  JW-big crunch  CM-gnab gib, big bang backwards.  B-supernova like?  JW-our sun will not slam together and bounce back like that.  only white dwarf.  B-Helium has 2 protons, 2 neutrons, why fuse to Carbon, not elements inbetween?  TW-short lives of those elements. B-who knows this stuff? TW-quantum cowboys.

39:31.057  star trek Enterprise Tv show theme music "it's been a long time..." B-the Bare Naked Ladies did Big Bang Theory tv music.  B-April 7 Sean Kelly will do talk on space elevators, started by Arthur C. Clarke JW-also sync satellites B-22K miles above.  Asia has also? JW-yes, ring around the earth.  B-need spider web material for elevator string?  JW-stronger than spider silk.  B-carbon?  JW-single sheet of graphene is strongest, maybe rolled into a tube and many tubes together.  B-lots of weight, how far out?  CM-23K miles.  JW-theoretically possible.  B-not a rocket up?  FAA rules on planes to not hit cable?  B-know anything about Sean talk?  CM-probably a rope and someone to volunteer...  B-movie Gravity, toss ball to earth, it will go down?  JW-depends how you throw it, hard enuf, like 17,500mph, it should drop straight down.  B-last 30s, invite folks to join.  CM-1st Fri april 7, 7pm, web page sbau.org, 2nd Saturday star party telescopes.

 on: March 30, 2017, 12:37:08 AM 
Started by Africajill - Last post by Africajill
Hi, I am really worried that I may have a very expensive hunk of scrap iron in my backyard right now! Basically, after a few months in storage (in the house) and a move across town, I set up my c11 tonight only to discover that while I could focus on my neighbor's window sharply enough to see the spider inside a web, I could not focus on anything in the sky. Not the sun (with my solar reflector on obviously), nor the moon, much less see any stars at all. The sun and moon I could tell I was centered on from the bright light through the eyepiece, but just couldn't focus any detail. And couldn't see any stars. The eyepiece I have is the celestron luminos. I might add that focusing on the neighbors window, I had to fiddle with the three knobs on the ota that are on the end with the eyepiece. But no matter how much I fiddled with them and the eyepiece together, I just could not see anything further. Not even the distant mountaintop. Where do you think my problem lies, where should I start?! The mirror and glass, etc all 'look' pristine, and the entire telescope has been stored securely in its original packaging all this time. I'd appreciate any advice!!!

 on: March 19, 2017, 12:44:46 PM 
Started by TomT - Last post by TomT
170313 SBAU hour on KZSB 1290am radio quick notes--see attached audio file for playback
00:00.000 Baron most news
00:06.885 it's 3am [this is the Sunday 3am show repeat after the 2nd Monday]

00:22.264 Holst Mercury in honor of TomW, searching stars for permanent theme.  ChuckMcP, JerryW, TomT, wife's first names are Pat; BruceM, not going to solar eclipse due to lack of housing.  TT-refreshments. B-sitting on rocks at SBMNH not that great for star parties. JW-I bring my own.  Outreaches Chuck leading, TT-4 days a week, B-Camino real marketplace is bright, CM-but can see moon, double stars, Jupiter.  B-Proxima Centauri closest?  B-what is Trappist-1 star?  CM-named after Belgian beer monks.  TT-Budweiser planning to make beer on Mars.  CM-marketing is key word.  B-Vodka on Mars?  Potatoes growing? 564-1290

09:31.143  Mars Holst.  B-SBAU known by other names CM-SB Star Cluster. B-amazing stuff going on, new telescope named Webb CM-NASA administrator B-infrared on this one CM-1M miles out Lagrange point (L2) B-what is night vision goggles? JW-can be infrared or visible light BM-amplification. signal picked up by multiple earth satellites. B-CM planetarium show 20 min, Milky Way all the way around us, CM-thick toward center, B-radio look thru gas? CM-and infrared. JW-everytime a new wavelength, you see something new.  First infrared satellites data was classified secret by Air Force. B-galaxies expanding away will be seen by this Webb.  What about nearby galaxies?  CM-no problem.  JW-Local group with M31 possible blue shift coming towards us.  B-TomW, what are you teaching right now.  Analog computer building using 741 chips. BM-did moon simulation years ago with analog computer.  TW-simulation of arms race using circuits, linear; parameters indicate fear, goodwill equations.  Coupled oscillators, 2nd order diff eq, like pendulums attached to each other.  Can use computer simulation, Data Studio, for labs at Westmont.  B-lecture at lab?  TW-yes, post ideas for students, like Pi day (March 14, 3.14).  Raindrop simulation.  Ardino modules.  B-using batteries that burn up? TT-Lithium ion.  CM-very dense power. TT-80% of batteries chargers for cell phones may be counterfeit.

21:46.627  Holst Jupiter B-getting physics lecture from TomW, like UCSB prof [Blaes] talking about black holes, got flapping arms as gravitational waves.  TomW-students off this week, so trying to get Andrew to use op amps to simulate.  lecture is going to be about math, which TW loves.  B-Pi never repeats, CM-transcendental number.  B-story of Pi? kid on lifeboat with tiger. what a movie!  B-unsung wifes support you so well, do they enjoy talking shop with you?  CM-occasionally.  B-any single ladies interested?  Saw a lot of SBCC students, some asian, who have to pay a lot, one switched to astronomy from business.  JW-engineering firms hire them for math computer ability.  TT-also wall street Quants.  B-is there a whole generation getting into astro?  BM-one student said first time he had looked thru a telescope.  B-cameras on telescopes TT-CM uses time exposure; CM-showing spotted socks, called Poe a dot, MaxN also wears funny socks. BM-just had open console Theater organ last Sat.

31:34.093 Valkner music, Ride of the Valkyries.  B-Dr. Whittemore, NYTimes article on SN1987A, sequence of pics of shockwave extending out.  Missing a pulsar in middle. B-have to be close to see straight beams, so curved spirals? JW-spiral formed by spin. B-most galaxies are spiral? B-but also fuzzy galaxies? BM-galaxies outer speed same as inner area. B-how can we look back in time?  BM-no center in universe.  TT-B you are center of the universe. JW-traffic jam on S curve, is simulation of spiral galaxy arms, cars stop, then others back up, then go again.  JW-Goldilocks zone for galaxy as well.  B-galaxies have black holes, JW-some do not, other black holes? BM-read that more black holes than stars and planets!

39:34.848 Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis by Ralph Vaughan Williams.  Richard Dupree, I am shy, so since you are off the air, you have listeners. B-what, we are not on?  BM-have Celestron C8 telescopes. TT-have tried camera.  CM-red stars are Carbon stars.  JW-cameras can bring out the colors; a few people can see that thru telescope.  B-arms in galaxy, tens of thousands between arms?  CM-thousands.  B-what is white dwarf? CM-eletrons degeneracy holding up star surface, very compressed.  BM-look at M57, ring nebula, planetary nebula.  JW-our star has solar wind, so perhaps planets will float farther away due to mass loss.  B-30s: CM-Westmont Friday, JW-telescope workshop Tuesday night.  1st Fridays.
46:11.600 end

 on: March 10, 2017, 07:15:37 AM 
Started by Paul Winn - Last post by Paul Winn
 have this old Dell E1705 Laptop that I have done some custom upgrades to it. It has served me well over the years and I do not need it anymore. Please see the Photos this laptop is old and you can see from the photos that there is some scratches. The Screen is in perfect condition. This would be the perfect laptop for home school or It is a little heavy but a great laptop. This laptop has every port you can think of on it. If you want Windows 10 Pro installed I can get it and install it for an additional $45.00
Comes preloaded with The Sky 6 and StarryNight Pro 6

Selling for $175.00

Here are all the spec's on this laptop.

Dell E1705 Laptop about 7 years old
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo processor T7600 (4MB/2.33GHz/667MHz) I Upgraded the CPU from a T7200 2.2Ghz

Screen: 17 inch UltraSharp TrueLife WUXGA, 1920 x 1200

RAM: 4GB (2x 2GB), DDR2, 633MHz memory I Upgraded the Ram from 2GB of 533Ghz

Hard drive: 750GB 7200RPM SATA WD Black hard drive I Upgraded the HD from 128GB 5400RPM

Video card: 512MB NVIDIA Quadro FX 2500M I upgraded from the 256MB Go 7900 GS KILLER VIDEO CARD

Optical drive: 8X DVD+/-RW Drive

Wireless: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 802.11a/g Mini Card (54Mbps)

Bluetooth: Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Module (2.0 + EDR)

Battery: Default 6-cell battery

Current OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit SP1

Dell 90W AC Adapter

Laptop Case


6 USB 2.0 ports
IEEE 1394 (FireWire)
DVI out
VGA out
S-Video Out
RJ-45 (Ethernet)
RJ-11 (Modem)
Audio out for headphone/speakers


5-in-1 Multi Card Reader
ExpressCard slot (No legacy support for PCMCIA Cardbus!)
Laptop security lock slot

I will be Including all of the Windows 7 Drivers, will be in a folder under Downloads in-case you ever decide to reinstall the OS (Not Included)

 on: February 27, 2017, 12:45:38 PM 
Started by TomT - Last post by TomT
170227 KZSB SBAU radio show cryptic notes, download attached audio file for playback.

00:00.000 Roll over Beethoven, Janet surgery, TT used classifieds to find spouse, Baron, TomT, JerryW Std model new particles, low temp condensed matter physicists for JW, TW, Trappist-1 planets vs space size 40 light years away.  AU hour for everyone.
03:37.710 gettin higher, Donny taking money out of the safe, AU guys, traffic smoothly, fire above Turnpike, M8RX bar Wed, 10 4min talks. Donny ringing bells, food by Tinkers.
06:00.467 Bill Paxton Aliens movie, died.
06:30.467 beginning of universe  discussion.

11:20.159 "human nature to be afraid of the unknown"... B-welcome to AU hour; intros, Trappist-1 planets, dwarf red star, 7 names from Snow White; seen from earth, JW-10% of stars have plane of planets we can detect; CM-people thot it would be a waste of time to try to look for planets around other stars.  JW-close in Jupiter types are too hot.  CM-potentially all of Trappist-1 seven planets could have life.  B-are all planets on an ecliptic?  CM-on a plane, JW-because condensed from a disk. B-our ninth planet on the ecliptic? CM-highly inclined. JW-need energy loss to capture a planet from outside the original disk; TW-classes cover this, kids bring up news from the web; CM-Trappist monks make beer in Belgium.  Telescope in Chile 24".  [Kepler 55"] TW-Aquarius behind Sun this time of year.  CM- no benefits to being an AU member.  "Galileo"

21:58.336 "Galileo" AoTSB, Wed, TT ten talks; Friday AU meet; La la land comments; Richard Dupree we are in Aquarius Feb 14- Mar14, entered 16 yrs ago, due to precession TW-wobbling earth, 26K yrs; RD-can we see Trappist red dwarf star, no because of position near Sun right now. JW- possibly years of work before this 7 planet announcemnet; TW-if Sun basketball, Trappist sun would be a golf ball.  B-on E-M spectrum RBG, TW-star dominated by infrared end of spectrum.  TW- Times said red dwarf star may only look as bright as our Moon to these planets. B-all stars similar to our solar system? CM-probably a lot of life out there.  JW-an organization of matter.  M8RX, AU talks, Janet up and walking. "Al demeola jazz"

31:18.733 5th Dimension, "Age of Aquarius", B-precession? CM-throws out astrology; discuss, TT-"horoscope" meaning? TW-clock. JW-ancient times did not have Star Trek, so thot they were looking into Heavens.  TW-planets passing thru zodiac.  B-Orion's stars in belt moving? CM-can see proper motion with a telescope.  Barnard's star can be seen.  B-people naming stars like Tabby's/ CM-Nasa folks gives names to things, meteorite on Mars called SpongeBob SquarePants.  Spirit shut down, but Opportunity arthritic, Curiousity working. B-Juno mission still going CM-still in wide orbit due to sticking engine valves JW-radiation belts around Jupiter like van Allen belts around earth.  B-N pole positive? TW-North magnetic pole (actually is south based on field line directions) JW-not like protons electrons, only that similar ones repel each other.  B-anti-matter? 

41:19.241 "fall into a Black Hole" Aug 21 total solar eclipse, B-lear jet to track eclipse? Pres desk Q of month: why does not star fly apart as it forms from rotating disk that spins faster?  JW-moment arm of angular momentum (distance of mass from center) as disk collapses, star rotation speeds up.  a contradiction.  B-stars around black hole of galaxy going faster as they get closer.  TT-energy lost by sun growing north/south? CM-viscosity effect heat of mag fields?  JW- Rigel spinning fast and bulges.  plasma is a fluid.  TW-Sun spins in one month CM-on average JW-mag field lines twist up and snap, sunspot cycles. charged plasma dragged.  B-northern lights? CM-charged particles from Sun spin around mag field lines.  JW-electron is a sink of an electric field, mag field around its path, not into the electron.  N-S of iron magnet. ceramic magnets also.  TW-will screw up credit card. "star of gas"

50:06.055 "star of gas" CM-thermonuclear fusion song.  B-7 min left, 200 person club? TT-160.  probably no trip.  B-trip to Griffith last year.  Ibrahim poet, looking for City poet.  Wednesday, AoTSB, M8RX bar, 409 State. TT-good fun review of astronomy.  Charlotte Mason, talk Friday for AU, galaxy evolution.  B-Vegas has big screens nowadays.  CM-calendar of outreach review.  B-30min setup ea time, get sick and tired of doing? CM-no, it is fun!  B-sky looks b/w  CM-camera picks up color.  B-Trappist planets, how do you see? JW-moving planets.  B-did Arrival win? TT-screenplay? B-Contact Jodi Foster, can not show alien creature? JW-UFO folks have all sorts of clear representations. CM-leave something for imagination.  B-bipedal creatures? CM-redundancy is good.  "cloudless night..."
57:28.349 end of AU show

 on: February 13, 2017, 04:05:57 PM 
Started by TomT - Last post by TomT
170213 KZSB SBAU radio show hosted by Baron, Ron Herron,  see attached audio file to download and play back:

Sloppy notes:
00:00.000 TomT in; Supremes music; TT impressed w/ lack of problems on crowded highway; B-telescope society? TT-AU, B-ParSec, JerryW entering, =parallax angle of one arcsecond

02:52.761  Earth-Sky NASA Aug 2012 launched mission studing Van Allen Belts, two doughnut shaped rings, radiation belts, twin spacecraft will sample area, Donny Vegas
04:45.403 Donny pool playing, JW voice recording for promo; B-Sat meeting, JW-Admin, TT-planning; B-trip anywhere?  JW-maybe not this year; TT-Allosphere at UCSB? ChuckM-30 foot sphere, like Star Trek Holodeck;
07:10.252 scary space news, first daily donald trump news 
07:34.201 I feel good; B-4 movers/shakers of club; TomW teaching lab on E-M for Life Science students, Pre-Meds; B-electricity/gravity questions later;

09:58.223 Chuck kazoo music, star of gas; B-pizza; AU unit, bigger group called the Parsec unit, intro's; JW-member of LA astro group at Griffity Obs B-where they danced into the sky; CM-credits to galaxy photo in background.  B-SBAU went down there last August, very crowded.  B-tells us schedule of events...TT-Westmont 3rd Friday, but looks to be a rainout. B-what goes on there?  TomW-teach at Winter Hall, bio, physics, psych, computer sci; teach labs, circuits.  TW-wanted JerryW to come out, but JW going to France.  JW taught before at UCLA, doctorate Condensed Matter Physics.  Chuck, stand up comedian.  TT-I can do up to 3rd grade.  B-i check out Google and Youtube info, latest space; CM-talk Feb 22 Lars Bilsten, helioseismology, at SBMNH.  Black Hole music.

19:20.771 Black Hole music...traffic announcement re: Turnpike. B-big eclipse, Aug 21, partial in California. JW-Oregon, taking solar telescope for viewing before the eclipse, near Salem.  TW-eastern Oregon or Wyoming. TT-any science during the solar eclipse? JW-Corona, CM-solar size variation. TW-Lockheed labs looking at solar corona, eclipse in Philipines, combined data.  B-rest of world does not see eclipse? CM-71% in SB, events in SB at MNH, Moxi; JW-use a collander for many eclipses at once. B-space station saw a black shadow on earth.  CM-just moon shadow. JW-may have been a conspiracy website.  B-What is Nibiru? giant planet past pluto? Planet Nine.  B-sun, just hydrogen?  but 90 other elements in Sun.  CM-star barf.  B-but where in Sun? JW-just trace elements. CM-H,He,Li,Be at Big Bang.  B-planets at that point? CM-gas planets.  TW-elements shown in spectrum emission lines.  B-what is surface at sun, fusion?  CM-layers. B- after 100K years, photons at surface.  Corona 1M degrees, but tenuous.   discuss element formation in stars.  fusion vs. fission.  TW-"gone fission". Star Trek Enterprise music: not gonna hold me down, got faith of the heart"

32:55.690 Star Trek Enterprise music: not gonna hold me down, got faith of the heart"  B-CM on drugs when picking the songs?  B-told in school, stars just Hydrogen.  hydrocarbons. B-Titan, moon of Saturn, is fog covered in this stuff.  talk at Farrand by [Mike Malaska JPL]. JW- human powered wings would work in thicker atmosphere and less gravity. But very cold, 70K.  Degrees discussion. C, F, K, not metric.  300K in room.  B-surface of Titan, liquid hydrocarbons? JW-Yes.  B-Hydrogen can be liquified? JW-Yes, but not on Titan. B-solids burn? JW-wood, Na, Cs, Mg.  CM-62 moons of Saturn. JW-some in rings. CM-some retrograde, highly tilted orbits.  CM-PHobos, Deimos of Mars thot to be collisional objects.  jazz

41:42.893 "it was a calm and cloudless night...1609 Galileo" CM-Astrocapella. B-something pushing on galaxy?  JW-great repulsor, objects tend to move away, a dipole field, maybe a huge black hole.  see: http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/02/04/ask-ethan-if-gravity-attracts-how-can-the-dipole-repeller-push-the-milky-way/#45198d144ed4  B-are not all galaxies moving apart? TT-clusters of galaxies JW-in zone of exclusion.  CM-local group TT-local neighborhood of galaxies.  CM-motions like eddys in a creek going different directions.  JW-universe like foam with empty bubbles.  B-like a filament? JW-Yes.  we can see 13.5B LY.  CM-everywhere is the center of the univers. TT-is this due to some Quantum Mechanic out there?  JW-quantum mechanics music: "Copernicus was right...telescope w me, on the shoulders of giants"

48:13.505 music: star of gas.  B-to join a group like the AU, is to see nighttime stuff.  Venus, is it closest planet? CM-yes.  Mars second.  CM-Kuiper is disk of stuff, Oort is a cloud.  Venus in evening.  JW-best to see Venus crescent in early evening.  CM-eclipse sun every 110 years.  B-planets not on same plane? CM-all vary.  B-Uranus turned sideways? cM-Yes.  Pluto comes closer than Neptune, in ecliptic?  CM-no, very tilted. B-Planet Nine. JW-they need to know distance or mass to find it.  B-dwarf planet? CM-spherical JW-and not cleared its orbit.  B-3? CM-5, but not Sedna. B-Voyagers off course? CM-an anomoly velocity caused by infrared pressure.  Arrival movie, Heptapods.  Feb 22 LCO talk at Museum.  56:01.497 end

 on: February 01, 2017, 01:22:11 PM 
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On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, President <president@ wrote:
       Begin forwarded message:
>     From: "Bob Brown" <bobbrownsb@
>     Date: January 28, 2017 at 10:17:07 AM PST
>     To: "Chuck McPartlin" <macpuzl@
>     Cc: <president@
>     Subject: Mike Jogoleff
>     Hello Chuck & Jerry,
>     Here is SBAU member Mike Jogoleff’s obituary as it appeared in Friday’s News Press...
>     http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/newspress/obituary.aspx?n=michael-p-jogoleff&pid=183733793&fhid=17760   
>     Might be nice to acknowledge Mike’s longtime membership in the club at our Feb. meeting, going back to the SB Astronomy Club’s days before they merged with the AU in the 1990’s.   
>     Bob Brown

Tom Cez <tomcez@
February 1, 2017 1:17 PM
to President, outreach, mike1, rubenalvag, bcc: me
Here are a couple of photos of Mike Jogoleff from Flickr:
side view: https://www.flickr.com/photos/27241501@N03/8280608915/
Mike Farris may have some better shots when he was taking photos up front.
Do we need an obituary page for SBAU.ORG?  I will post into the SBAU Forum under "Club Miscellaneous".

Michael P. Jogoleff
Guest Book

    "had many a trough with Mike, Dennis, and JoAnn....God Bless..."
    - Tony Tiger

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March 24, 1946 to January 7, 2017

Santa Barbara native Michael "Jug" Jogoleff, 69, passed away January 7, 2017 after a courageous battle with cancer.

Michael was born at the Old Cottage Hospital. His mother Celeste, and Aunt Dorothy moved to his lifelong home in Santa Barbara in 1950. He attended Dolores Catholic elementary and Bishop Diego High school. After high school, Michael's thirst for knowledge was not quenched. Michael also studied with: the University of New Mexico; University of Portland; Thunderbird School of Global Management; Santa Barbara City College. He earned both Bachelors and Masters Degrees from these Institutions.

Michael's passion in life was Amateur HAM radio. WA6MBZ "Jug" had his fingerprints on decades of engineering and technical support within the Santa Barbara Amateur Radio Club.

He served for a time on the Board of Directors of this great organization. Michael also mentored the youth of Santa Barbara in Ham Radio techniques and history.

Michael was also very involved in his church; Our Lady of Sorrows Catholic Community. He prepared, and helped serve meals to the needy, and homeless. He also helped with many special events within the Parish.

Michael was a member of many organizations in Santa Barbara. Among them were: The Audubon Society; the University Club; The local Astronomy Club; Lifetime Member of the NRA, and the Bungalow Association. Michael organized a neighborhood block party with the close-knit friends on Panchita Place 14 years ago; that continues today.

Michael will be greatly missed by boyhood friend and neighbor; his Buddy, Joe. From all the adventures in the hills, looking for a little bit better signal, to the many trips back and forth to the hospital; Joe was always there.

Mrs. J. and Mike's family will be forever grateful to him.

Michael was preceded in death by: his mother: Celeste Reding Jogoleff; Aunt Dorothy Reding; Grandparents; Aunts; Uncles and a Cousin.

He is survived by Cousins residing in Iowa, Washington and Idaho.

Services were held at Our Lady of Sorrows on January 12, 2017. Michael was laid to rest at Calvary Catholic Cemetery, Santa Barbara, California.

 on: January 23, 2017, 04:54:22 PM 
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Science Pub: Astrophysics Applied to Climate Change
Monday, February 13, 2017
6:30 PM
Dargan's Irish Pub & Restaurant, 18 E. Ortega Street, Santa Barbara

Dr. Ray Weymann will present the February 13th Science Pub talk on "Astrophysics Applied to Climate Change." Learn about transitioning towards a low carbon emission economy. Dr. Weymann is a retired astronomer and astrophysicist, associated with the Carnegie Institution where he was director. His Ph.D. is from Princeton University. He is a founder of the Climate Science Rapid Response Team and past president of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific. Dr. Weymann has made notable contributions to astronomy in the areas of the evolution of high redshift galaxies and mass ejection from active galaxies. Admission is free but arrive early to get a seat and order food and drink. City parking lot #10 is located next door. For information call 805-682-4711 ext. 170 or scoleman@sbnature2.org.

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